Comments on: Relevant Relevance http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/ The Gospel Interrupting the Ordinary Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:10:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.1 By: Alan http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3047 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:18:57 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3047 One attends a house of God to commune more openly with God and the people of God. Where both are missing there can be no attendance by the children of God, only nominal Christianity filling the pews.

The emphasis upon bringing God back into His own house is something missed today, amidst so much superfluous speaking, few actually understanding that God is not present in the vast majority of houses that make profess of Him, houses that continually nail Christ to a cross, a cross that cannot provide salvation, as the cross represents a work in progress, rather than work complete, which viewing Christ in heaven is work complete, and where all eyes should be focused.

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By: Leslie http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3039 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:06:36 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3039 I think there is a growing tribe of us for whom the words “relevant” and “practical” when used in the context of church is like fingernails on a blackboard. I think you are exactly right when you say that it’s code for “what can it do for ME?”

I’ve written several posts about this very thing and had to explain to people why my antenna immediately goes up when I see this word on a church website.

May our tribe increase :)

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By: Tim http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3035 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:02:33 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3035 if Jesus is at the center of a relationship, that’s all the “relevance” we really need.

Awesome, Alisa!

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By: Alisa http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3034 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:59:38 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3034 I was just talking with a friend about this concept! In the context of community, Gospel-centered is really the way that “needs” are going to be met. So often even in friendships we seek relevance…rather than relying on the Gospel and the work of the Spirit to minister to us we seek out what we perceive will be the best.

When I got married I became extremely conscious/careful of sharing about my marriage struggles with my single friends because I didn’t want to cause them to struggle. While I also needed some re-analysis of my assumptions in this area, it taught me that God could still work through my single friends to teach me about marriage (insert any other example). That’s because what we talked about was the Gospel. I saw my sin in the context of a need for Jesus rather than specific to life as a wife. Is it bad to seek married couples for learning/guidance? Of course not. But if Jesus is at the center of a relationship, that’s all the “relevance” we really need. We can trust that God will work through it to bring clarity to more specific situations.

I really enjoy the discussion here. Thanks for writing such thought-provoking posts!

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By: Aimee Byrd http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3033 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:51:50 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3033 Great reflections, Tim. I think your example also makes a good point about how we need to trust in God’s timing with the work that his Word does on our hearts and minds. We want the magic words that will immediately make us feel better. But God works to actually change us through the process.

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By: Tim http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3032 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:13:50 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3032 What a relevant post, Aimee! (Sorry, couldn’t resist.) You prompted me to google for whether there is a church called Relevant here in my state and, as I suspected, there’s more than one. Here is an excerpt from the website of one of those churches, and it falls right in line with what you’ve identified:

There is a need for a new kind of church in ___________. There is a need for a church to be relevant, not religious. A need for a church to be relevant in the community, relevant in relationships with people, relevant in their message, and relevant in their form of worship. It is our purpose to start a new church that will help bring Christ’s life and joy to the young and young at heart in _______________ and beyond. … Today, there is a large number of people who don’t see a need for church and/or can’t relate to it in any way.

It’s all about community relevance, relationship relevance, message relvance and worship relevance, but not for the old or those who just feel old. This attracts people based on how they perceive themselves and what they can get out of that church. What happens when people have new needs but the church doesn’t meet those new needs, or see themselves differently and the church does not seek to include their group? The church is no longer relevant to those people and they stop coming? As you say, if instead the church is all about Christ then there is no issue with shifting needs, shifting perceptions and shifting relevancies (or with shifting sand, some might say).

Guthrie’s call to expect God’s word to do it’s work is sound because Jesus is the Word, so the Bible is the expression of Jesus. I remember years ago one morning at Bible study, much like she described. Our son had been through quite a health scare and I was feeling overwhelmed that morning. When we got into small groups I broke down as I related what was going on. The group leader led prayer for my son and then led the study of God’s word. I remember thinking at the time that what I wanted was not study but more ministry to my need. I realize now that what I needed was time in God’s word with those gathered together that morning.

Sorry that this got long. Not sorry that you made me think so much!

Tim

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By: Kim Shay http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3031 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:18:44 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3031 I’m with Melissa! Amen! The word “relevant” is one of those really good words that has simply been comandeered and drained of its effect.

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By: Melissa http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3030 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:15:49 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3030 Let the Word do its work…YES and AMEN!

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By: Margie Stemple http://www.housewifetheologian.com/relevant-relevance/#comment-3029 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:39:43 +0000 http://www.housewifetheologian.com/?p=1409#comment-3029 LOVE this article! I remember you sharing this w/me after your workshop w/Guthrie at the conference …thanks for bringing it back to my attention! ” Expect the Word to do its work” … so true and yet, sometimes, we tend to think what we have to say is “more relevant”. Nothing takes the place of God’s Word!

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